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Dean



Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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Location: London

PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 11:07 am Reply with quote Back to top

This is the new Albrecht TT MAG:-


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This is being launched in Germany at the end of the month. I have no idea if this will hit the UK, or when. Albrecht is the parent company for Alan UK so I have of course emailed Colin and asked him to come and join this thread.

Observatations:-

1. That looks like a quarter-wave to me. Stick that on the roof of your car and you have a pretty good ground plane. Stick it on a metal plate on your roof and you have a pretty good gateway...... icon_wink.gif They say 500mW ERP as usual, but that antenna would no doubt boost Rx capability.

2. It has a 12v input socket (naturally, given the obvious market). <Added - see Reinhards post about this being for charging the internal batteries only>

3. It comes with a fixed 2.5m length of antenna cable.

4. Rest pretty standard now for pmr446, basically a regular flavour TecTalk with an external antenna.

Are we going to see more of these do you think?

Comment for Dale - I know that you were present on the original meetings regarding self-certification for RA357. What say you? Are manufacturers starting to stretch the point a little bit (I'm not knocking it), or are models like this usually run passed the authorities first, whether a manufacturer has self-cert. status or not?

We discussed the possibility of a radio something like this a while back in the forums as someone spotted something similar (but with the radio in the MAG base).

Are they listening?

Dean


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 1:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I can't believe this complies with the regs, can it possibly?!
Dean



Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Posts: 565
Location: London

PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 2:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

From RA357:-

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PMR 446 radio equipment must be handportable, have an integral antenna, have a maximum ERP of 500 mW and be compliant with ETS 300 296.


I can't see how this could be an "integral antenna" except in the absolute widest sense of the word "integral".

I'm not sure what the German equivilent of RA357 states and it may be that the rules there are different, in which case I think a little unfair.

I thought the whole point of the CEPT regulations was to create a harmonised allocation throughout Europe. I always considered that to included products.

Dean
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Reinhard



Joined: 27 Sep 2003
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Location: Moosburg, Germany

PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 2:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

@ Dean
The 12 V input socket really is for charging the batteries. The unit is run off 4 AAA cells. According to the circuit diagramme available for the TT with short fixed antenna, there is a diode and a resistor of 180 ohms in series with the input terminal. This is in line with the data available that says that they charge the batteries with a constant current of 60 milliamps.
They offer a powersupply and a caradapter to charge the unit.
I have ordered one and will post my experience as soon as I have it
(and yes, plan is to have the antenne on top of a mast outside the building).
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I can´t see why this unit should not comply with the regulations. The antenna definitely is fixed to the unit, there is no mentioning in the regulations that an antenna cable is not allowed.

Reinhard
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Dean



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 2:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks Reinhard, I look forward to your report.

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The antenna definitely is fixed to the unit, there is no mentioning in the regulations that an antenna cable is not allowed.


It's more subtle than that - the word "integral" has a very specific meaning. You would have to take this meaning in its widest possible sense to allow an external MAG antenna like this. That's why it is unclear.

You could say it is integral because it's not detachable (wide sense).

You could also say it is not integral because it is not part of the body of the radio (more strict sense).

Dean
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lucky



Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Posts: 25
Location: Cardiff

PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 3:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Great idea! That cable looks a bit lossy for 446 though icon_sad.gif

Kevin
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 3:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Dean,

I checked ETS 300 296 (one can download it for free from www.ets.org).
This is the definition used there for:

"integral antenna: An antenna designed to be connected to the equipment without the use of a 50" [ for some stupid reason the Omega does not appear here when doing copy-and-paste, and I do not know how to fix it] Ohms "external connector and considered to be part of the equipment. An integral antenna may be fitted internally
or externally to the equipment." ETS 300 296, page 10]

For the TT Mag:
- there is no external connector used, be it 50 ohms or some other value
- the antenna is considered part of the equipment
- it is fitted externally

I think this interpretation is pretty safe.

Reinhard
Dean



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 4:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for the research Reinhard!

It looks like you're right - the definition of "integral" in this context refers to something, as I see this part of the ETS 300 296, that is "not detachable" - so as long as this radio does not have a BNC connector or whatever, it's probably ok.

I'll wait and see Colin Horne's response (from Alan UK) as to whether or not this radio will be imported into the UK.

If it is, I can safely say that I will be buying one (along with my PMR446 watch!).

Interesting times!

Dean
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Tjardick



Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 10:03 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well this really looks nice for in the car too...

If only i could use my Bluetooth headset now icon_smile.gif

Tj
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

surely 50 ohm connector is a way (albeit odd) of describing the coax itself? This setup clearly has an antenna connected by a 50 ohm connection!
AlanUK



Joined: 14 Jul 2003
Posts: 6
Location: Swindon, UK

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:54 am Reply with quote Back to top

Hi everyone.
Looks like Albrecht have stirred up a lot interest with this product amongst this sites users, however I'll have to dissappoint you by saying that Alan UK will not be importing this product into the UK, nor will we produce an Alan / Midland variant of it. The reason for this is that we are not yet convinced of the legality of this product or its suitability for the UK marketplace.
I welcome your comments and naturally if things change and we decide to import this or any other new product,this forum will be the first to know.
Colin Horne
Alan UK
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:59 am Reply with quote Back to top

http://www.pmr-funkgeraete.de/shop/

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and here's some new stuff too :

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Dean



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:49 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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I'll have to dissappoint you by saying that Alan UK will not be importing this product into the UK, nor will we produce an Alan / Midland variant of it.

The reason for this is that we are not yet convinced of the legality of this product or its suitability for the UK marketplace.


That's a great shame - interesting though that it is legal in Germany and not the UK.....

Dean
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rope



Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 1:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I will try to order one from Germany and see what they say. It does look like it complies, I will let you know what they say.
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Daffy



Joined: 18 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 4:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Iv'e just had a brief look at the above web-site and noticed a base station,the Albrecht tectalk office which would work out (I think) at about £55 before any extra costs and shipping.At a glance it looks a different piece of kit to the xt1000 and wondered if it might be an alternative assuming an adaptor could be used for our electrical system?
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